Why You Need to Master the Frame Size Options in Premiere Pro CC

Why You Need to Master the Frame Size Options in Premiere Pro CC

January 14, 2017

If you send your timelines from Premiere Pro CC to DaVinci Resolve then you know resizes often fail. Your 'Frame Size' selection is the key.

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Premiere Pro Detective: How Your Scaling Settings Are Killing DaVinci Resolve ‘Roundtrips’

Part 1: Why The ‘Frame Size’ Options Matter More Than You Think

DaVinci Resolve has become a very popular finishing tool in Premiere Pro CC workflows. Especially after Adobe killed SpeedGrade CC in 2016 and removed the ‘Send to SpeedGrade’ menu command from Premiere. This left DaVinci Resolve as the go-to dedicated digital video color grading app for Adobe users. There are two methods for sending a timeline to DaVinci Resolve: Either render out a single self-contained movie for Resolve to ‘cut up’ and color grade or send an XML and let Resolve recreate your timeline. If you use the latter method then there’s a good chance you’ve found your resizes don’t always survive. For some inexplicable reason, sometimes your Pan & Scans work. Sometimes they don’t. This 3-part series explores the main culprit: The ‘Frame Size’ options in Premiere Pro and a mismatch in Resolve’s ‘Input Sizing’ project settings.

In roundtrip workflows with DaVinci Resolve, using ‘Scale to Frame Size’ can be a huge mistake

If you think there’s a chance you are sending your timeline (via FCP XML export) to DaVinci Resolve then you need to learn why ‘Scale to Frame Size’ can be a nightmare. There’s a non-obvious reason for this, owing to a peculiarity of Premiere Pro’s  X/Y coordinate system and its Anchor Point. This peculiarity makes it difficult for DaVinci Resolve to perfectly recreate your resizes after you’ve enabled ‘Scale to Frame Sizing’.

In Part 1 of this series, you learn the problem with ‘Scale to Frame Size’

The ‘Scale to’ feature is designed to let underpowered CPUs take very large source frames (say, UHD frame sizes) and fit them into a 1080 HD (or any other sized) timeline without taxing the computer. Enabling ‘Scale to’ takes any oversized frame, throws away all the extra pixels, and treats the footage like it is recorded at the frame size of the timeline. Since your computer doesn’t have to process the excess pixels, it speeds up the responsiveness of under-powered computers.

And since ‘Scale to Frame Size’ is so useful, there’s a default that let you enable ‘Scale to Frame Size’ on footage imported into your Project bins.

Unfortunately, with mixed Frame Size timelines, ‘Scale to Frame Size’ causes all sorts of problems in DaVinci Resolve

And if you enable ‘Scale to Frame Size’ in your preferences, you’re setting yourself up for a world of hurt in DaVinci Resolve since every shot you import has this setting applied. And to add even more problems, Premiere Pro doesn’t have an alternative default method for forcing oversized images to properly scale to the timeline frame size using the far more reliable ‘Set To Frame Size’ option.

Premiere’s ‘Set to Frame Size’ works terrifically with DaVinci Resolve

Well… almost terrifically. If you use ‘Set to Frame Size’ in Premiere and export into Resolve then there is a project setting you need to change.

The complexity of this workflow is why I’m breaking this Insight into multiple parts

  • Part 1: We learn the nuances between ‘Scale to Frame Size’ and ‘Set to Frame Size’. These nuances go beyond the surface differences normally explained between these two features.
  • Part 2: We bounce between DaVinci Resolve and Premiere Pro looking at how these different settings get interpreted.
  • Part 3: We devise a solid ‘rule of thumb’ that you can easily replicate on all your jobs going forward. You’ll ensure you never waste time, energy or money matching your resizes. We also do a quick reconform of the ‘In the Shadow of Giants’ timeline and see how this little ‘rule of thumb’ completely changes the nature of that Conform process.

Shout out to Mixing Light member Jon Howard!

The inspiration for this series came from a comment of Mixing Light member Jon Howard on Part 4 of the Conforming Giants series. He mentioned that some of the problems I was having were due to the ‘Scale to Frame Size’ option. It turned out, my problem was from a lack of understanding of how Premiere Pro CC handles resizes. His comment set me on a full day exploring proper settings for both DaVinci Resolve and Premiere Pro… and now all of us have him to thank for this detailed breakdown.

As always, use the Comments to share your experiences, insights or ask a question.

You never know when the smallest comment blows up into a 3-part series 🙂




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  • this is really useful – thank you patrick.

  • Hi Patrick – Thanks for the mention and for the very detailed breakdown of why this is so important when doing conforms. Looking forward to the next ep.

  • From what I understand, in Premiere the option ‘Scale to frame size’ (3rd one) looses quality if the editor makes a ‘zoom’ later (because rasterized image). So not the obvious choice if further scaling is required. That said, it is also the only option letting the clip scale at 100% (and not 50% in case of UHD footage). But because Resolve deals with relative sizing (like Fusion does), wouldn’t it be less troubles to edit in Premiere with this option anyway (lowering the CPU charge), and then choose ‘Use sizing information’ option when importing the XML in Resolve ? Resolve will deal with the correct resolution (original files), correct scale (unchanged by Premiere, or on purpose if the editor has made some ‘real’ ones), so the sizing edits wouldn’t get screwed/lost? I’m not a Premiere user, so I can only guess here.

    By the way in FCPX, the default behaviour when adding a clip on the timeline that doesn’t match its resolution is the third exposed here: image fits the canvas but the scale remains at 100% (even if the clip has been resized from UHD to HD). This point is annoying for some other-NLE users that expect the value to change to 50% in this case. But building on my previous remark, one can imagine it is better that FCPX ‘interprets’ the footage this way, for correct accuracy when later round-tripping in Resolve. One difference with Premiere though, image is not rasterize in FCPX: scale remains at 100%, but you still have the details if you then manually set the scale up to 200% (in case of an UHD clip in an HD timeline).

  • Patrick Inhofer


    You are correct about the downsides of a rasterized image when using the ‘Scale To Frame Sizing’. In Part 3 I’ll give specific advice about what setting to use – since it’s possible to look at the same set of facts and come to two different conclusions based on what I’ve shown so far in Parts 1 & 2. (Part 2 will be released later today).

  • DAM premiere should be ashamed of itself for that behavior. This is another great case for a preparing editors for color document/movie. When you use scale to fit does it use the larger resolution to optimize detail on render? Premiere should add an option to default anchor points to 0,0

  • Patrick Inhofer

    The ‘Scale to’ option rasterizes the image, losing access to the resolution of the original image. But it lowers the load on the CPU and, when set as a global preference, automatically fits mis-matched frame sizes to the timeline frame size with every edit operation (which is why editors often run with this preference turned on in mixed frame size projects).

    RE: Anchor Points – Adobe made a decision a looong time ago to number based on the source frame size, not the timeline frame size. This has been causing interchange problems with all the other NLEs. I doubt Adobe will change that any time soon, so we need to know how to identify the problem and work around it.

  • Patrick Inhofer

    You bet! Thanks for sending me down this path 🙂

  • After Effects supports 2 anchor point strategies. It seems crazy that on render they are not going back to the full size files when encoding.

  • chaliflani

    Is there a follow up video to this?

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