Review – Controlling The HDR Palette With The Resolve Mini Panel

January 21, 2021

How does the DaVinci Resolve Mini control surface manage to control 7+ color wheels in the HDR Palette, with only 3 physical trackballs?


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HDR Palette 101 Part 5 – An overview of the DaVinci Resolve Mini control surface’s integration with the HDR palette

In this Insight, we’re going to look at the DaVinci Resolve Mini panel and how it manages to integrate with the HDR Palette. It’s a tricky workflow since we’ve got 7+ color wheels that can only be controlled by 3 physical trackballs. How does the Mini panel handle this problem? Especially since it also has 2 LCD displays for handling the soft menus for each Zone.

As you’ll see in this Insight – it’s a tricky balancing act. It took me about 40-60 hours to feel comfortable in this workflow and develop a ‘rhythm’.

In Resolve 17 Beta, the Mini panel / Zone Palette integration does feel a little 1.0. There are a few strange/unexpected behaviors. I point those out.

Note: I’ve just started working out the overhead camera, so it’s not a high-resolution camera, yet. Here’s a better look at the LCD soft menus for Zones, in case you have trouble reading them in this video Insight.

This is the main LCD Controls for Zone adjustments. The ‘Prev Zone’ / ‘Next Zone’ soft keys cycle through the active zones, changing the Zones that the trackballs/contrast rings control.

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  • This topic has 21 replies, 1 voice, and was last updated 11 months ago by Willian Aleman.
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    • Evan A
      Guest

      Great info. Looking forward to v17.1 non-beta so I can upgrade.


    • Sam H
      Guest

      This is a bit of a bummer. I love the mini panel because I really never have to hit too many buttons to get where I need to go for whatever control I’m reaching for. But this looks like you really have to do a lot of digging so I foresee myself using the HDR palette less because of it. Time will tell. Not sure if I have any better ideas on how it could be mapped to such a small panel, but seeing it in use gave me a new perspective.


    • Jakob P
      Guest

      Seems like muscle memory would be easier if there was 2 options for controlling each 6 tonal ranges. 1 tab covered the 3 lower ranges, then with the press of a button, instead of going to next zone, it switches to the next 3 zones (I hope that makes sense).

      Maybe the reason they don’t have it set up that way is because you may not have 6 different ranges enabled. Could be more or less.


    • Pat Inhofer
      Guest

      Once I developed the rhythm, it didn’t feel like digging. But when you’re learning how the HDR Palette works – plus learning how the panel works – it takes a while for all the pieces to start to gel and I did feel like I was always bashing buttons. My biggest problem on the HDR Palette is knowing what result I’m going to get BEFORE I make the change… and this makes learning the panel extra overhead.

      But if you stick with it, and I suggest you do stick with it, the confusion washes away and you can get pretty fast in the HDR Palette. It just takes some stick-time.


    • Pat Inhofer
      Guest

      It’s challenging figuring out how this interaction should work, given the potential fluidity of the number of active zones you need to manipulate. My guess: We’re looking at an initial release of the panel integration and I’m hoping we’ll see an update to remove some of the kinks.


    • Rodrigo B
      Guest

      Don’t you also miss a control in the panel to highlight the zone you are working in in the image?


    • Mark Todd Osborne
      Guest

      Pat, thx for the insight. Have you informed BMD of your wishlist for the Mini Panel?


    • François Dompierre
      Guest

      Thanks Patrick!

      One thing that seems to be missing from the new HDR zone tool in Resolve 17 is the ability to constrain the printer lights to the a specific zone..? It’s one of my favorite things in Baselight: you can easily add a half point of blue in the dark zone, or a full point of cyan in the light zone, etc. Is there really no way to do that in the new HDR tool?


    • Pat Inhofer
      Guest

      Rodrigo – As you make adjustments, if you have the Zone graph expanded you can see the Zones you’re adjusting as they highlight in the graph. Yes, that’s a good visual cue to make sure you’re manipulating what you think you’re manipulating.


    • Pat Inhofer
      Guest

      MTO, hello. Not yet. This was my first time sitting down and thinking through my thoughts and suggestions. But I’ll follow up with them.


    • Pat Inhofer
      Guest

      That would be fantastic. I love the idea of having the Printer Points functionality automatically work on the Global control if you have the HDR Palette open but it would adjust the Offset control if you’re in the Primaries palette. Great idea!

      Applying Printer Points to a zone is also a terrific suggestion. I’m not sure how they’d implement that using shortcuts… but definitely worth their effort, I think.


    • Robert A
      Guest

      I think Rodrigo means the little buttons in the UI that highlight the corresponding zone’s area in the viewer. I missed these on the panel as well, until I realized that turning on the regular Highlight button on the panel shows the affected areas for whichever ring you touch in the HDR tool.


    • Rodrigo B
      Guest

      Yes. That’s what I meant, Robert 🙂


    • Eyal Brosh
      Guest

      Thanks Patrick! One thing I can’t find on my Mini Panel is the temp & tint for each tonal zone (like 7:45 in the video). Instead, I have EXPOSURE & ZONE PIVOT or ANGLE & STRENGTH for these two knobs. I have temp & tint only for the Global zone. I wonder is there something I can do about it?


    • Scott A
      Guest

      Can verify this as well. Maybe they updated the firmware but now those areas say Angle & Strength as opposed to Temp & Tint


    • Willian Aleman
      Guest

      Hello everyone,
      Patrick, thanks for the deep insight on the Mini Panel.
      I’m in the precess to update my Tangent Element with the Mini Panel

      Does the Mini Panel support Dolby Vision Trim pallet as the big panel does?


    • Robbie Carman
      Guest

      Hey Willian

      No, no DV controls on the mini unfortunately. Joey has built out a stream deck setup that works well but requires some tweaking based on screen resolution


    • Yash M.
      Guest

      That’s great information on HDR controls. Well, what about the Resolve Micro panel? Can we play with HDR controls with Micro panel?


    • Pat Inhofer
      Guest

      Nope. On the Mini panel the HDR tools are controlled by the LCD displays and the buttons underneath them – which the Micro panel doesn’t have. UPDATED: See the response below.


    • Yash M.
      Guest

      Hey Patrick,
      No, WE CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL HDR WITH MICRO PANEL. I just got Micro panel and checked it. So Resolve has the clean way for it. It requires one mouse click to jump into the HDR wheels and then the trackballs on micro panel can adjust HDR controls. Again you can change zones with mouse and the First three controlls can be managed using the three trackballs on micro panel. With offset button, just like Mini panel, the third trackball becomes the global controller. To get back to the Primaries I tend to press the LOG button on micro panel so it switches to LOG wheels and then again press it so I get in Primaries without clicking with mouse.


    • Willian Aleman
      Guest

      I’m working with the BMD Mini Control Panel. As an extension, I’m also using Elgato Stream Deck.
      Two weeks ago, I added the Contour Shuttle Pro V2 to cover the absence of shutter and jog wheels in the Mini Panel. It works like a charm, I’m happy.
      The only function I’m still missing from my retired Tangent Element is the use of a knob or wheel to handle the split and wipe screen in the difference wipe modes.

      Does anyone know how to program a macro for the Contour Shuttle Pro V2 to get this function working?
      I know the Speed Editor has this function, but since I don’t do editing, buying this device just for wiping the split screens seems unnecessary.

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